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Hi guys, I'm sorry if this has been discussed to death or not, but I had questions about using certain NIOD & The Ordinary products together with tretinoin and vitamin C. So I asked them and this is what I got:.................................................................................Me: Hi Deciem, just a few questions. Please take your time replying, you guys must be CRAZY busy!!:I was wondering if I could use tretinoin micro with CAIL or CAIS.Deciem: Hi! Unfortunately, it is difficult for us to comment on the pairing of our products with those of other brands and/or prescription medications. We recommend consulting with your doctor/dermatologist, gradually incorporating one new product into your regimen at a time, and applying test patches first to see what works best for your skin. We generally recommend avoiding retinoids when using copper peptides......................................................................................My thoughts: Since I don't have access to a derm, upon hearing this answer, I decided not to use my tret with copper peptides together in my night routine. I guess it would be also a bit overkill as they're essentially doing similar things (copper peptides, AFAIK, will most likely not affect pigmentation/dark spots issue like tret can though) - in terms of antiaging. But it sounds like they're saying it is okay to use as long as it's not harming your skin/your derm approves.The reason I asked was because I wanted to simplify my routine more instead of having a million alternate nights for different actives......................................................................................Me: Can I use vitamin C serum with CAIL or CAIS?I asked the company Skin Biology, who also sells copper peptide serums, and they said they used to tell their customers to alternate days, but that they changed this recommendation because they got an OVERWHELMING amount of feedback from their customers saying they've had nothing but amazing results using them back to back.So that theoretical conflict probably does not apply in actual practice. The only issue may be some tingling (EDIT: I read the email again, and it said temporary "tinting" NOT tingling) if using very high concentration of ascorbic acid serum (20-25%+).Also, if I was still worried for whatever reason, I could use vitamin C in the morning and copper peptides at night. But I do want to use them back to back, so I thought I would get your opinion as well. Just in case there are other things that would interfere with vitamin C.Deciem: We suggest avoiding pure Vitamin C when using copper peptides in your routine. If you have used them together without issue, you may continue to do so as there is no harm in such use..................................................................................My Thoughts: It sounds like to me, that Deciem has a very general guideline of "don't use together" things to avoid complication/confusion/people going overboard with their actives. This may help the general population, but since I'm incredibly obsessed with skincare & details, it didn't help me, hence why I asked.So from reading responses from both companies, it sounds like it is safe to use together back to back. The old recommendation from Deciem was to use the copper peptides first, then wait about 30 seconds before applying your ascorbic acid-based vitamin C. Or use the acid first, then wait 30 minutes before applying your copper peptides. They have since not referred to this recommendation (I saw this rec in a 2017 review).So, personally, I think I will use their CAIS 2 then wait 30 sec- 1 min then proceed with my C + E + Ferulic serum..................................................................................Me: How come the regimen guide and the info page still say that you can't use niacinamide with ascorbic acid?I've been using them back to back with no problems and great results for years now, and loads of other people say the same online. This issue really bothered me, so I even went on professional cosmetic chemist forums for answers, and they said that it is not an issue at all, and that that's an outdated view & the only study that showed a problem was when ascorbic acid and niacinamide were formulated together in the same bottle, and still ONLY under very specific conditions that would not be an issue in normal formulating circumstances.There's already so much confusion, and I just ask because I really want other people to know it's okay to use them together and get awesome results. I was watching a video with a US dermatologist answering questions, and she said that vitamin C and niacinamide can be used together no problem, unless you're specifically sensitive to flushing from that combo. But that she doesn't recommend The Ordinary Niacinamide + Zinc serum because if the company is saying not to use them together, she would rather be safe than sorry and assume that there must be something else in the formula that would conflict with vitamin C.So,,, yeah. Is there something else that interferes with ascorbic acid in the niacinamide serum? Or is it that you guys really do have contrary evidence of them conflicting..? Thank you so much!!!Deciem: Our contraindication for mixing The Ordinary’s Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1% with 100% Pure L-Ascorbic Acid (LAA) powder is based on dated and current research. When Niacinamide is mixed with LAA, it causes a chemical discolouration of the product and may cause facial flushing. Although some people have mixed the two products together and have not experienced such effect, that may not be the case for others. Hence, we continue to advise no mixing the two products...................................................................................My Thoughts: So, again, it sounds like another one of those general "better safe than sorry" guidelines to prevent max number of people from having a reaction. It seems you can use niacinamide and ascorbic acid vitamin C serums just fine if YOU specifically, don't get flushing/other issues when using them together.The myth of using niacinamide and vitamin C back to back being dangerous has been busted time and time again by our local cosmetic chemist u/kindofstephen and chemist/fellow skin care addict u/akiraahhh AKA Lab Muffin, as well as various other chemists and dermatologists I have read/heard from.I'm not really sure what they mean by "mixing" here, it looks like to me, they mean from formulating-them-together-perspective ? Or just mixing the serums on your own before application? What I meant when I asked was applying a separate ascorbic acid serum first, then absorb a little, then applying a different niacinamide serum. I'm not really sure if there was a communication mishap here...............................................................................But yeah. That's all folks. Hope someone found this helpful.EXTRAS:Here's a video talking about the TOP 4 antiaging ingredients and what they can do for you: vitamin C, retinoids, niacinamide, and copper peptides.Here's another very well researched, accurate video on everything about vitamin C for skin.Edit: Skin Biology is one of the companies set up by the scientist who discovered copper peptides, from what they've told me. The copper peptides there are cheaper, but I personally will not be use them probably because I'm sensitive to fragrance.
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